Talk:Micronational reactions to the death of Queen Elizabeth II

Almendria section

I believe considering this that including the highly informal statement is extremely inappropriate in this situation, and that most likely should instead describe the reaction from Almendria rather than specifically exactly citing text. --𝙷𝙸𝙼 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚊 𝙸 𝚘𝚏 𝙲𝚢𝚌𝚘𝚕𝚍𝚒𝚊 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 05:21, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@Summi Imperatoris: I have boldly removed it under the grounds that Almendria is a proclaimed "troll" micronation, which possibly fakes or exaggerates its content for reactions from people. Unfortunately, informal statements might probably be allowed to be displayed in this article under MicroWiki's neutrality policy. Alternatively, you could attempt to establish a criteria for entry and raise your concerns over informality over at MicroProject Current Events. The members would probably love increased participation. ★ ZabëlleNB ♥︎ (formerly Z Luna Skye) (talk | edits) 20:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@ZabëlleNB: Why has this section been removed? You say that it's been proclaimed a troll nation, but by who? Concerns have been raised at MicroProject Current Events but only with the result of "I'll go through all of the pages and check them out today." So, who's proclaimed the nation as a troll and why is their opinion valid over the nation's itself?

Literally everybody knows that Almendria is a troll nation. It's just common knowledge. You might as well ask for evidence that the sky is blue. ADAMVS PRIMVS IMPERATOR 14:21, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

So your evidence is your own subjective opinions, ok lol. If you’re gonna make a claim present evidence it’s that simple. @EmperorAdamI and ADAMVS PRIMVS: - Luci 11:30 AM EST

Almendria claims no territory, raids servers ("nuking" in micronational jargon), doxxes and harasses individuals (including minors) and wages "war" against other Discord nations. If not for being a "troll," Almendria should be blacklisted from MicroWiki for harassment and brigading. Just skimming through their wiki pages reveals very tongue-in-cheek ventures, such as online "warfare." I have known about them since June 2020 onwards, and they have persistently done these things. Additionally, I wish to state that MicroWiki does not need a tribunal to decide whether or not they are a "troll;” in-line with ADAMVS PRIMVS IMPERATOR, we do not need a weatherman to tell us the weather. As for evidence, perhaps go on any Discord server that Almendria has interacted with or r/micronations (forgive my French) and look up "Almendria." But I can confirm that I have experienced all of this first hand for years. ★ ZabëlleNB ♥︎ (formerly Z Luna Skye) (talk | edits) 15:51, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, their primary contributor to MicroWiki is literally User:Sex. ★ ZabëlleNB ♥︎ (formerly Z Luna Skye) (talk | edits) 15:52, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

As part of the MicroProject I'm setting guidelines for inclusion but I think I may have already deleted the Almendria part. -- President Devin Purcell Penn Federal Republic 16:07, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

That's just wrong - Almendria does have a territory, in fact you may see the (Censored, as we're not gonna share PII publically) map right here. The text cited is simply part of the statement's text. We're not a troll micronation - in fact you have never been in our discord server or any other Almendrian platform, so how the **** would you know if we are or not? Also, must i remind you of the Article Guidelines (policies) clearly stating a neutral point of view

@Sex: Please refrain from using obscenities when communicating with other users. It is unneeded and does not contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. I ask that you please stop reading unsourced and profane content when the general consensus is that is should be deleted. It would be a shame to have this be forced to be protected. -- President Devin Purcell Penn Federal Republic 15:35, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Everything I mentioned has occurred from Almendria even in recent times; it is not just a two year-old phenomena. Even the MicroWiki entry for Almendria mentions warfare and "nuking" occurring as recently as December 2021. Also, per Devinpurcell, please remain civil in talk pages discussions. ★ ZabëlleNB ♥︎ (formerly Z Luna Skye) (talk | edits) 15:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

You are in fact ALSO not a member of Almendria or ever been on the server - do you have any source for your claims? And "december 2021" was... about 9 months ago. Yeesh. 9 month old claims. With no proof. Or sources. At all. Also, there's literally no general consensus. There are multiple people opposing the removal of Almendria - and silencing a nation just beacuse you don't like it is agaisnt the spirit of a objective MicroWiki.

Ben. --aidan does not speak melayu (talk) 15:46, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@ZabëlleNB: Why couldn't someone just say straight away the reasons for it instead of just "they're a troll." 😭 If you **s just told me about the raids n **** I'd've believed you lol. As for their territory, there's literally a map but I cba to argue over this anymore since it's pointless and you've proven the point I was looking for anyway. Confederation of Malus (talk) 17:27, 15 September 2022 (UTC) Luci 1:14 PM EST

@Confederation of Malus: Remember to use the four tildes at the end of your messages, especially when you type on a wiki like it's Discord or Snapchat. -- President Devin Purcell Penn Federal Republic 17:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

@Devinpurcell: Remember* Luci 1:28 PM EST

Sorry about that—as I stated I did not have direct evidence or any MicroWiki policy I could cite. I know in the past we have removed such articles, but we never formally made a rule against micronations who raid or troll. ★ ZabëlleNB ♥︎ (formerly Z Luna Skye) (talk | edits) 17:30, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I know this is going to not sound the best but there is no obligation to specifically convince you regarding things, when a decision is made as it was here before when you had started reverting it it is not the responsibility of users to convince you, it is the responsibility of you to understand the decision even if you don't agree with it. Also as said before don't use obscenity, respectful discussion can be done without it. 𝙷𝙸𝙼 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚊 𝙸 𝚘𝚏 𝙲𝚢𝚌𝚘𝚕𝚍𝚒𝚊 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 06:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I have reverted the edits that were put in there again, mainly as well since as said before concerning raids, that would then be associated to User:Sex and that user is Tizian Aruna, who was cited as leader of USR in their capacity in Almendria, when the section was already agreed to be removed by consensus then trying to include it sneakily is not permitted. As well I can say that User:Sex being a clone of User:Sexy Sex would mean that they should be indefinitely blocked from editing. 𝙷𝙸𝙼 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚊 𝙸 𝚘𝚏 𝙲𝚢𝚌𝚘𝚕𝚍𝚒𝚊 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 06:05, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

You guys agreed to remove Almendria, which Tizian leads. He does not lead the USR, he's the leader of an AR in the USR, just as I and a bunch of others are. Why are you removing the reaction of a nation that comprises several others when only one of them can be considered a troll? Genuine question. Also Tizian going and editing Almendria back is cringe. (Luci) 9:36 AM, 17 September 2022 (EST)

If one is to put "Almendria" into the search into MicroWiki please tell me what then pops up. 𝙷𝙸𝙼 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚊 𝙸 𝚘𝚏 𝙲𝚢𝚌𝚘𝚕𝚍𝚒𝚊 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 18:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@Summi Imperatoris: This website? Sure. United Socialist Republics, Federation of Almendria, War against Almendria (stub), TOES-Almendria War, Federation of Almendria, Republic of Almendria, Communist Union of Almendria, and Addison Dillon v. New Almendria. The entire grudge against is against Almendria (NOT THE USR) for actions taken in the past by someone who isn't in power in the USR... Luci 5:59 PM, 18 September 2022 (EST)

Just ban Almendria because they're literal nazis lol  Prime Minister Cole Baird  My Talk Page • My contributations  13:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. Ban them. -- President Devin Purcell Penn Federal Republic 16:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)