MicroWiki talk:Manual of Style

Motion to rewrite "Ignore this Guide" Section

Currently, it states "If making a contribution follow this guide would clearly reduce its comprehensibility, ignore the parts of this guide which would make it do so. Raise the issue with administrators or on the forums."

Please reword for better comprehensibility. It is increadibly ironic.

Devinpurcell (talk) 13:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Any MicroWiki:ADMIN ? This is one of the most important pages on the whole site. User:Devinpurcell (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 10 March 2022

Remove ironic and incomprehensible section under "Ignore this guide". See past discussion on talk page. -- President Devin Purcell Penn Federal Republic 18:18, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I am inclined to agree, but as a whole the manual of style leaves a lot to be desired. Any further additions? --Luxor (talk) 14:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Luxor: Some standardization on describing ethnicities, i.e. "caucasian" vs "white", or "African American" vs "black", etc. -- President Devin Purcell Penn Federal Republic 12:43, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 21 September 2022

"If making a contribution following this guide would clearly reduce its comprehensibility..." -> "When making a contribution, if following this guide would clearly reduce its comprehensibility..." -- President Devin Purcell Penn Federal Republic 17:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Spelling of micronation

Would it be possible to add a section to make clear the correct way to write micronation? I've seen "micro nation", "micro-nation" and the like far too many times. ADAMVS PRIMVS IMPERATOR 19:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

References standards

Hey there. There are so many reference types across the site, so I was wondering if there should be a particular reference style i this MoS. People use APA, Harvard and dozens of their own created styles. In the three references in article Kingdom of Lovely, there separate reference styles are used. Just wondering if standardising references across the site would be a good idea. All the best - Kalan Cameron del Kersika, Officer-General of Alsann (user | talk | contribs) 06:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

This is quite late as a reply, but either of these styles are acceptable. However, consistency is the rule of the day here. I see no hard-written rules that all styles across all authors must be the same while editing a page, although using a single style is very strongly preferred where possible. That all said, as long as relevant references are both properly and consistently written, I see little to no issue with how one goes about it.

Personally, I'd also like to see language included that strongly discourages self-citation unless absolutely necessary to carry the conversation forward. And, where this occurs, the author structures points made as merely "claims" to a certain item being cited, rather than presenting the claim as a statement of fact when they are the only source available. (For those unaware of this practice, self-citation happens when author cites their own work that they wrote elsewhere either previously or concurrently to the publication in question.) Stormhold (talk) 21:34, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Naming Conventions

Aside from other items bought up about problematic sections in the manual of style, this one bit has been bugging me quite a lot.

Use the full official name of the micronation, e.g. Empire of Austenasia rather than "Austenasia". Only deviate from this rule should the official name of the micronation be so long that it is rarely used outside of official contexts, in which case the name by which it is most commonly known should be used, e.g. Mercia rather than "Kingdoms and Lands Represented in the Council of the Diarchal Crowns of the Disciples".

I heavily disagree with this, and it leads to unnecessarily complicating searching for articles and makes the creation of numerous redirects necessary to help people actually find the article in question. This convention is strange to me as it is the complete opposite of standard article naming systems for nations on Wikipedia, where the common name is favoured ie: 'United Kingdom' > 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' or 'Greece' > 'Hellenic Republic'.

I do propose that section is binned in its entirety, and replaced with something more like this.

Use the common name of the micronation, e.g. Austenasia rather than "Empire of Austenasia". Only deviate from this rule should the name of the micronation necessitate disambiguation from similarly named nations, in which case the name by which it is most commonly known should be used, e.g. United States of Europe rather than "United States".

Yours truly.. Sertor (Chat) 05:37, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Disagree. The full name provides relevant distinction and as User:Oritsu.me pointed out on your personal talk page, it should just be a unanimous rule in cases of micronations sharing the same name, claiming the same territory from which it gets its name, and for micronations who's government has changed. Using "common name" is different from "short name" also, the common name for the Kingdom of Northwood-Oregon isn't Northwood-Oregon, no one actually in the Kingdom calls it that, it would just be "KNO" which isn't suitable for a page title. Even if that distinction between short and common was made, I still wouldn't support this change due to the reasons I stated prior. 𝄞 Strubber ♫ Contributions ♩ 14:47, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

There is also the issues I raised *last September* that were never addressed. Devinpurcell (talk) (contribs) 14:57, 14 February 2023 (UTC)