MicroWiki:Community portal/Archive 8

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Admin Elections

We all know the situation, so there's no point in recapping it here. Unlike some people, I respect community decisions, and I know that this has been discussed by many. Therefore, I have the unhappy duty of proposing the following:

The community is voting on whether or not to remove Kyng Fyrst's adminship on this wiki

Please place your signature under the appropriate heading. In the event of a draw, the decision will be carried in the negative.

Also, if the decision is to revoke the admin rights, then we will be voting on a single admin to replace him (or not, as the case may be).


Revoke Kyng Fyrst's admin rights

  • § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 02:05, 22 November 2010 (EST)
  • Possible conflict of interest.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  02:09, 22 November 2010 (EST)
  • His actions have been, from what I have seen, quite harmful to the community. Anton 02:25, 22 November 2010 (EST)
  • If Kyng wants to continue his own database over at MicroWiki, then he can be admin on it. At the moment, he has caused too much unnecessary fuss. Puchowskijk, your friendly insignificant goon 02:40, 22 November 2010 (EST)
  • Signed - Premier and DFCDR James Wilary MOY OKOZ of the Prsänëa People's Republic, Federated Republics of A1 02:51, 22 November 2010 (EST)
  • I guess I'll have to get the sellotape out and help to start fixing the damage. Count me in for this. Daniel Anderson, Premier of the Federal Commonwealth of Sirocco since 2010. Nemine Contradicente. 03:13, 22 November 2010 (EST)
  • Adriansyah Yassin Sulaeman Flag Of Lbp.gif. 19:49, 22 November 2010 (UTC+7)
  • "By far the friendliest Admin." Yeah right. REVOKE. --Parker I: The President of Secundomia-- 13:07, 22 November 2010 (EST)
  • GTFO --Cajak 14:39, 22 November 2010 (EST)
  • Whatever German or Dutch for revoke is. I actually have something to say on the matter. Kyng Fyrst has become living proof of the corruption that power brings, his actions have surprised and dismayed all of us. Next admin we pick (and we will need a new admin, trust me) will need to be:
    • A good copy editor
    • Someone who can spend extensive periods of time on the wiki
    • Someone who has had a history of good work on the past wikis
    • Someone who will follow the rules
    • Someone who can be pleasent and calm yet firm to the users
    • Someone who won't have delusions of grandier
    • And someone unbiased to illogical and not-well administrated micronations
B.C.E.R Neil, President of T.F.o.E, Copy Editor and Patroller (and a very good day to thee) 19:20, 22 November 2010 (EST)
*cough* --Parker I: The President of Secundomia-- 21:54, 22 November 2010 (EST)
This is for voting, not discussion thanks ;) § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 22:32, 22 November 2010 (EST)

Retain Kyng Fyrst's admin rights

  • I really think you are all being really immature about this so I must vote in favot of retaining the Kyng's admin rights. Even if you decided to revoke his rights, he is now the only one I trust to go to and is the only one I will go to when I need help. Good day to you all!~Madam Secretary of State Victoria Bristow Starland 18:30 November 22, 2010 (UTC)
  • How dare you say these thing to King Fyrst ,he is one of the nicest people in the community. How has he done any wrong you should all be ashamed of yourselves. Alex Sinatra Gossard II --Humbleleader 21:00, 22 November 2010 (EST)
  • Well said A mad machine 18:20, 3 December 2010 (EST)


By an overwhelming majority, Kyng Fyrst is hereby removed as an administrator on this wiki. § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 17:17, 24 November 2010 (EST)

Who are you going to pick to replace him? B.C.E.R Neil, President of T.F.o.E, Copy Editor and Patroller (and a very good day to thee) 19:07, 24 November 2010 (EST)
Oh right, were voting, I forgot... B.C.E.R Neil, President of T.F.o.E, Copy Editor and Patroller (and a very good day to thee) 19:09, 24 November 2010 (EST)
So, umm, when are the elections and who's organising them? Fishy?  aldy@wiki:~$ _  14:45, 25 November 2010 (EST)
Done that today ;) Scroll down. § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 17:47, 25 November 2010 (EST)

Get it done

On the First of January 2011, I will start systematically adding deletion templates too all articles that fit under these criteria:

  • Shorter than 5 lines or 2 Sections
  • Pointless as its own article, in this case it will probably be merged with the related main article
  • Too many articles relating to a no-longer active micronation, these articles should be merged with the central page.
  • Overly dubious articles
  • Overly badly written articles
  • Overly un-serious articles


If you don't want your articles to meet this fate, then GET EDITING, get a dictionary, a thesaurus, a translator I DON'T CARE.

You've got a month and a half to get everything done, so get cracking!

B.C.E.R Neil, President of T.F.o.E, Copy Editor and Patroller (and a very good day to thee) 16:22, 23 November 2010 (EST)

... None of the admins would delete most of these articles if you were to nominate them. Short and small articles on their own will probably be deleted, but some small articles are necessary so as not to clog up the main article (e.g. Military of Yabloko). Secondly, defunct and inactive micronations should be kept, regardless of whether they're up-to-date or not. No server space is wasted or clogged up (we have unlimited space) meaning it would be stupid to delete them - this is a micronational encyclopedia categorising all micronations, not just active ones (unlike the OAM). Dubious articles should be marked as such and parts re-written while badly written and unserious articles should simply be copyedited and rewritten to reflect that, not deleted (you are a copyeditor after all).  aldy@wiki:~$ _  16:51, 23 November 2010 (EST)
I second that ;) § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 17:38, 23 November 2010 (EST)
Fair point, I have altered the criteria to reflect this, however note that I suffixed some of the criteria with OVERLY and note nations which are just too foolish to be real, like Beauluna. (this is the second time I have had to write this, I hate having to explain myself, thanks a bunch guys, I was just trying to make your job easier, he still hasn't given up with smegpot thing, rantrantraverave)B.C.E.R Neil, President of T.F.o.E, Copy Editor and Patroller (and a very good day to thee) 17:58, 23 November 2010 (EST)
That still won't work. Take the inactive micronations. That would include nations like Erusia, which have dozens of lengthy articles. Imagine merging all those articles into one - it would be massive. There's no need to merge such articles, it's not wasting server space or anything. And there's always the possibility of copyediting and rewriting the other articles. Deletionism isn't necessary in such a small community.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  20:09, 23 November 2010 (EST)

Special: Uncategorized files

I cannot access this page, regardless of what computer I use. I don't know if anyone else has this problem. It is really annoying me, as categorizing things are what I do best. So.. help? Anton 02:58, 25 November 2010 (EST)

It seems to be because of certain files that the server can't handle for some reason, presumably because they're corrupt. It's happened before (#Copying files) and I've deleted two files which don't work, but unfortunately it still doesn't work, hence there must be more corrupt files. I assume the only way to find out which one it is is to go through all the files, clicking the link to each one until you find one which just gives a blank page (like trying to visit Special:UncategorizedFiles). Notify me or another admin and we'll try to delete it. UPDATE: Looked through all of the second page, deleted two files, still doesn't work.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  03:35, 25 November 2010 (EST)
Found all the corrupt files, deleted all of them, it works now, you're welcome.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  05:08, 25 November 2010 (EST)
You're officially awesome. Thanks. Anton 05:34, 25 November 2010 (EST)

Admin nominations (again)

So once again we must elect one new administrator to replace Kyng Fyrst. If you wish to nominate yourself or another user, please do so under the following sub-heading. Nominations will close at 1159 30th November 2010 AEST.


  • User:Kozuc Thought I might just try —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kozuc (talkcontribs) 23:17, 25 November 2010
  • I would like to nominate Mr. Pushowski (User:Puchowskijk)
  • Can i renominate Kyng Fyrst? User:FTSR
    • You can, but lol § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 00:52, 26 November 2010 (EST)
  • I've got time on my hands, lots. User:vitcash
  • I would be happy to help the wiki User:HMZ Government]
  • I'll throw my hat into the ring. Sam —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam (talkcontribs) 09:51, 26 November 2010
  • I'll probably not get in, but I'll have a shot anyway --User:Demontux - *Webmaster* 05:20, 26 November 2010 (EST)
  • I'll give it a shot... Tfoeflag.pngB.C.E.R Neil, President of T.F.o.E, Copy Editor and Patroller (and a very good day to thee) 06:29, 26 November 2010 (EST)
  • Given that almost everybody else already has done it, sure. Anton 09:53, 26 November 2010 (EST)
  • Fishy would make an awesome admin. User:The Sandbars 10:05, 26 November 2010 (EST)
  • I have been here for over a year now so I guess I should give something back to the community. I'll run. User:Danesland
  • I second the nomination of Vitcash, just because he sounds very active. And people, you need to change your signatures because they don't work here! His Lordship, David Salapa 15:18, 26 November 2010 (EST)
  • I seriously think I can do good for this wiki, and I would like to volunteer myself as Admin. --Parker I: The President of Secundomia-- 11:46, 28 November 2010 (EST)
  • I might as well do it, I belive that I could do a good job here! BarnabyJoe 05:07, 29 November 2010 (EST)


Please cast one vote by adding your signature as a second-level bullet point under your preferred nominee. You may not vote for yourself.

User:BarnabyJoe User has been banned indefinitely for abusing eight sockpuppet accounts to increase votes.


Option Kozuc Puchowskijk Kyng Fyrst Vitcash HMZ Government Sam Demontux Billyneil Anton Danesland Parker I
Votes 2 6 4 0 0 0 20 0 0 0 1

Congratulations to Peter with a convincing win. =D Welcome to the team.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  17:31, 6 December 2010 (EST)

Related communities

Could you add Micropedia to 'Related communities'. It's a Dutch wiki about micronations --Flandrensis 03:16, 26 November 2010 (EST)

Added it to the front page as well. =D  aldy@wiki:~$ _  05:34, 26 November 2010 (EST)


Just thought that a 'wishlist' section would be useful, where users may submit requests for features/whatever on the MicroWiki. Please create a new dot point for each request. § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 17:30, 28 November 2010 (EST)


Change of Main Page design

I propose that we change the main page design to fit the designs of other pages like this community portal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parker I (talkcontribs) 20:30, 30 November 2010 (EST)

Personally I'm fine with it, though perhaps change the colour of one of the left/right sidebar things to green or something (like Wikipedia). =P  aldy@wiki:~$ _  23:32, 1 December 2010 (GMT)
So, seeing as no-one has objected to me changing the colour of the sidebars, I've taken the liberty of changing the left one to g:reen while keeping the right one blue. The intro-part of the header (Welcome to MicroWiki etc.) has also been slightly wikified and shortened because no-one uses the word micropatriology anyway. However, more change is needed in my opinion. In my opinion, the lists of religions, media, institutions and organisations should really be moved to a separate page as it just lengthens the main page without adding much value. Überstadt brought up a good point that the numerous bad articles on here reflect badly on micronationalism in general. Hence, I think we should feature well-written and good articles somewhere on the main page as they do on Wikipedia, perhaps updating it once a week or something (as it is, we don't have a huge amount of good articles and, as of this being written, there are currently only six). A Did you know... section could also perhaps be added, updated by a group of editors every couple of days. Your thoughts?  aldy@wiki:~$ _  00:42, 7 December 2010 (EST)
So, bored as I always am, I've spent the better part of the last couple of hours coming up with new designs which can both be found at User:Aldrich Lucas/Sandbox 2. The first design is just a redesign of the existing content while the second one is a larger change and includes the good article summary. The Did you know section could be added on the right side if you want it. I've moved the Related Communities down the bottom like in Wikipedia and replaced it with a dummy Did you know... section. Personally, I prefer the second design but I'm open to suggestions, ideas and other designs.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  03:51, 7 December 2010 (EST)
I've had a thought, what about an On This Day or This Week In History section or something? --Daniel Anderson, Siroccan Premier. 05:22, 9 December 2010 (EST)
I was just about to suggest that... something like this? Perhaps one month is too large a range of dates for it, but we don't have enough history to do a day at a time.  ~⁠~⁠♥⁠~⁠~ Jeremy Oakes (words • deeds)  05:48, 9 December 2010 (EST)
I'd be fine with a This week in history section. What about the designs btw, first or second or your own?  aldy@wiki:~$ _  05:57, 9 December 2010 (EST)
I prefer your first design, Aldrich, if I'm honest, but there's something I'd like to suggest of my own. At the moment, we have the subdomains commons.microwiki.org.uk and media.microwiki.org.uk (under construction - a little project of mine aimed at making micronational media more accessible and interesting), and I intend to add more subsites if the community is agreeable. What I think we should have is a "portal bar" at the top linking to all the subsites, to make navigation easier. --User:Demontux - Egtavian President and Evil Oppressive Webmaster of Doom 08:23, 9 December 2010 (EST)
And I prefer the second one, especially I like 'Related communities'. but I think 'In the news' should be above the 'Good article'. Also, in 'communities' you should add this community portal. What I can propose is to add pictures for each section, as it's in wikipedia. Patryk Adam Bronisz 10:57, 9 December 2010 (EST)
I think there should be a featured article; like when Wikipedia featured John Lennon on the anniversary of his death, we can feature a micronational article on their foundation day! I also agree with the "This Day in History" thing. Better flag ultamiya.png His Lordship, David Salapatalk 13:00, 9 December 2010 (EST)

I don't know I like both of Aldy's proposals now :P I like the idea of having good articles on the main page, but that needs to be tidied up a bit in the first one. Otherwise, I'm more happy with the second one, but don't particularly mind. Also, if we do have 'featured articles' or 'in this day/week', we would need to ensure that there is a designated person/are designated people to update this, as well as only having it updated per week. Per day is a little much to ask. § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 16:52, 9 December 2010 (EST)

For the "in this week" section , we can do like what Wikipedia does: make 52 templates, one for each week of the year. And, I prefer Aldrich's second design; the good/featured article fits in better.  ~⁠~⁠♥⁠~⁠~ Jeremy Oakes (words • deeds)  21:41, 9 December 2010 (EST)
I've replaced the intro, changed the headings to mostly lower case, added MicroCommons and added my name to the bottom. Just did a few uncontentious stuff in other words (except for maybe the last one but whatever - revert it if you don't like it).  aldy@wiki:~$ _  01:17, 10 December 2010 (EST)
I like it! Secundomia Official Flag.jpgParkerI: ThePresident of Secundomia 11:40, 10 December 2010 (EST)
Umm, any reason why you dramatically changed the layout of the page. =S Normally, we'd discuss such a huge change. =P So for now, I've changed it back but this is also an option. Personally I prefer one of my own, but that's just my decision. =D  aldy@wiki:~$ _  16:52, 10 December 2010 (EST)
All I meant to add was Brazilian MicroWiki --Secundomia Official Flag.jpgParker I: The President of Secundomia 17:21, 10 December 2010 (EST)
Nah, it's probably because you use the visual editor, it does stuff like that. =P  aldy@wiki:~$ _  17:52, 10 December 2010 (EST)

So, four days later, new design. I've mixed together both my designs as well as incorporating other things to end up with this. To be honest, I quite like it. It transcludes the good article summary so that needs to be rotated around every now and then (we also need more good articles and feel free to create summaries of the existing ones of about the same length as these. The long lists on the side which no-one uses have been removed, surely a good thing. And MicroWiki:This month in history has been set up, much like the Wikipedia version though of course, summaries of all the other months also need to be made. The related communities bit also doesn't look as messy now that it's in a nice orange box. So, whadda ya think?  aldy@wiki:~$ _  06:04, 14 December 2010 (EST)

Hmm, maybe it will be better if you delete background in 'Related communities', orange doesn't suit here. Oh and great job! Patryk Adam Bronisz 13:55, 15 December 2010 (EST)
It's been swapped around now that there's unanimous admin consensus. If the community absolutely hates it, you can all vote to overturn it. =P Thanks to Jeremy Oakes for beginning the January and October entries for This month in history but the rest of it still needs to be filled out for next month. The featured good article can be swapped around for one of the others whenever you get sick of the current (awesome) one. If you're feeling particularly helpful, you can make summaries for all the other articles as well. It basically involves condensing the first few paragraphs into one and making them about the same length as all the rest (for articles on a particular micronation, remove all the official and alternative names).  aldy@wiki:~$ _  17:37, 17 December 2010 (EST)
We really need some historical anniversaries. Optima doesn't have any and I can't find any remotely important ones.  ~⁠~⁠♥⁠~⁠~ Jeremy Oakes (words • deeds)  16:19, 2 January 2011 (GMT)
We/I also need to update the month lists, January's one only includes anniversaries. I'll do that today.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  21:28, 5 January 2011 (GMT)

Replace Text "correcting" to American English?

Edits such as this one, that I assume are being made with Replace Text, have replaced British English spellings with the American forms. Can this problem be fixed?  ~⁠~⁠♥⁠~⁠~ Jeremy Oakes (words • deeds)  00:30, 1 December 2010 (EST)

There's no 'u' in 'honorary'. =P I was using a British English site for it (Oxford in fact). However, on the subject of standardisation, I think we should decide on:
  1. Whether we accept American or British English as standard or whether we just leave it to the author's discretion; and
  2. How to do dates. Personally, I always use Month Date, Year (as in February 2, 2009) but in the abbreviated form use DD/MM/YY(YY) (as in 02/02/09 or /2009).
Your ideas?  aldy@wiki:~$ _  00:36, 1 December 2010 (EST)
Leave it up to the author alough I would say please if you have to decide use British English and I use both date on as long form and the other as short form IE(12/2/2010)--HM King Anthony, King of Zealandia, Field Marshal RZA, Chief Constable RZC 01:26, 1 December 2010 (EST)
I second that language be left to the author (British preferred). With full written dates, I don't really mind (it varies what I use myself), but for abbreviations, YYYY/MM/DD (2010/2/12) is specified by ISO 8601 and is more easily sorted by computers (numerical order is the same as chronological order). Failing that, DD/MM/YYYY.  ~⁠~⁠♥⁠~⁠~ Jeremy Oakes (words • deeds)  03:01, 1 December 2010 (EST)
As much as I hate U.S. English (America is not a country folks :P), I agree that it should be up to the author. § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 04:41, 1 December 2010 (EST)
Speaking of US things, why are times in signatures in USA-EST and not UTC like most other places on this wiki?  ~⁠~⁠♥⁠~⁠~ Jeremy Oakes (words • deeds)  04:49, 1 December 2010 (EST)
Woot! It's GMT now. But, can we change it so that it says UTC?  aldy@wiki:~$ _  20:12, 2 December 2010 (GMT)
Isn't there some way we could have the site read our IP addresses and thus customize which zone we see times in? Überstadt 16:11, 4 December 2010 (EST)
No? You mean in the actual signatures? No, that would be useless in trying to keep track who wrote what when when you have to compare different time zones. If you mean just the end-user experience, no, because the signatures are included in the actual content of the page.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  16:17, 4 December 2010 (EST)
We don't need a standard, people. It's up to the article authors.--Friedebarth 16:28, 9 December 2010 (EST)
I personally like more the British English :P Ciprian IJuclandia 21:45, 16 January 2011 (GMT)

Sockpuppets voting for BarnabyJoe!

Tons of non-contributing sockpuppets are voting for User:BarnabyJoe in the Admin Elections above. Should we disqualify him? --ParkerI: ThePresident of Secundomia-- 17:35, 1 December 2010 (GMT)

They all have the same IP address as him and have all been banned indefinitely.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  19:36, 1 December 2010 (GMT)

MW Domain Plan

Okay, I thought of a great plan for microwiki's domain name.

We re-brand ourselves as the MW Community, and create a hub for the community at mw.org. Next we move MicroWiki to wiki.mw.org. Then we create the following domain names:

  • news.mw.org (A hub for micronational news)
  • forum.mw.org (An intermicronational discussion forum)
  • docs.mw.org (microcommons)
  • dt.mw.org (dutch site)
  • dtwiki.mw.org (dutch microwiki)
  • dtnews.mw.org (Dutch news)
  • dtdocs.mw.org (dutch microcommons)
  • fi.mw.org (finnish)
  • fiwiki.mw.org
  • finews.mw.org
  • fidocs.mw.org
  • fr.mw.org (french)
  • frwiki.mw.org
  • frnews.mw.org
  • frdocs.mw.org
  • id.mw.org (indonesian)
  • idwiki.mw.org
  • idnews.mw.org
  • iddocs.mw.org
  • po.mw.org (polish)
  • powiki.mw.org
  • ponews.mw.org
  • podocs.mw.org
  • pt.mw.org (portuguese)
  • ptwiki.mw.org
  • ptnews.mw.org
  • ptdocs.mw.org
  • es.mw.org (spanish)
  • eswiki.mw.org
  • esnews.mw.org
  • esdocs.mw.org

We could go on to create more, or remove others from this list (I used all the foreign wikis that currently exist).

--Parker I: The President of Secundomia-- 18:40, 2 December 2010 (GMT)

While the main mw.org could be a portal or something. Me likes. But...how much does mw.org cost?  aldy@wiki:~$ _  20:14, 2 December 2010 (GMT)
It's not parked or claimed in any fashion right now, so I don't know. --Parker I: The President of Secundomia-- 15:45, 2 December 2010 (EST)
mw.org costs at least AU$200 per year :P I think mnwiki.org is the best we're going to get to be honest. § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 18:00, 2 December 2010 (EST)
Why do we need a new domain? I personally think that a proper name with an obscure gTLD (such as microwiki.org.uk) is infinitely better than a contrived name with familiar gTLD. Michael Sander, Prime Minister of Optima, 18:19, 2 December 2010 (EST)
We need to cut out the wiki. How about micro1?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Parker I (talkcontribs) 23:38, 2 December 2010
I'm fine with just mnwiki.org. How much would that be? @Msander, because .co.cc has a *very* low rating with both Google and Wikipedia. And, because we can. =P @Parker I, why? =S Your plan would still work without mw.org.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  19:19, 2 December 2010 (EST)
@Msander, .co.cc isn't even a gTLD.  ~⁠~⁠♥⁠~⁠~ Jeremy Oakes (words • deeds)  02:02, 3 December 2010 (EST)
@Oakes: Sorry, brainfart. @Everyone: wikimicronations.org is only US$10 a year with GoDaddy, as is themicrowiki.org, m-wiki.org, micro-wiki.org, intermicronational.org, micronationalwiki.org and theintermicronational.org. Are any of these palatable? I personally like themicrowiki.org Michael Sander, Prime Minister of Optima, 07:01, 4 December 2010 (EST)
mic.ro is taken and microwi.ki is $1000 a year, but are there any similar domain hacks we could use? In a similar fashion, microwiki.mw and micronations.mw are both available for US$50 a year. A great, but expensive, idea would be treating .mn as a ccTLD for micronations (oam.mn, micras.mn, microwiki.mn, and micronations.mn, etc. are all US$50 a year). On a side note, micr.as is also US$50 a year.  ~⁠~⁠♥⁠~⁠~ Jeremy Oakes (words • deeds)  08:19, 4 December 2010 (EST)
Umm, all those names sound kinda desperate. mnwiki.org costs just AU$7 a year. SEVEN. DOLLARS. I think we should just go with that. Nice, short, simple, cheap.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  16:01, 4 December 2010 (EST)

That would be my first choice § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 18:05, 5 December 2010 (EST)

I prefer micro-wiki.org over mnwiki.org; it should be a lot better for our Google ranking. ~⁠~⁠♥⁠~⁠~ Jeremy Oakes (words • deeds)  22:12, 5 December 2010 (EST)


I can see that barely any of the old people on MicroWiki are here at co.cc, and there are TONS OF IMAGES that are not uploaded. If I may have permission, I'm going to copy the images from Wikia, save them onto my computer, and reupload them here. This will start tomorrow afternoon if allowed. Better flag ultamiya.png His Lordship, David Salapatalk 23:00, 9 December 2010 (EST)

By all means, feel free to. =D  aldy@wiki:~$ _  00:47, 10 December 2010 (EST)
Yeah one problem, I can't upload any svg or that files because I don't have them on my computer and apparently it won't let me upload the file with ".svg" at the end of the destination filename when it's a .jpg. Better flag ultamiya.png His Lordship, David Salapatalk 18:58, 10 December 2010 (EST)
SVGs don't work on here anyway. =P So you'll have to convert them and just tell me what the new file name is - I can then replace all the instances of, for example, File:Test.svg with File:Test.png.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  19:04, 10 December 2010 (EST)
Wait, not even png's work?
Oh well, we'll start at the top with Imbox notice.png. All files that will not work will be renamed to .jpg, by the way.
And note that some of the articles may be of lower quality, since I'm using Paint. Mainly the ones that are transparent. Better flag ultamiya.png His Lordship, David Salapatalk 19:16, 10 December 2010 (EST)
No, pngs do work, I was just saying that I was going to replace instances of File.Test.svg because they don't work and instead replace it with File.Test.png because that does work.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  16:47, 11 December 2010 (EST)
Is there an extension we can get to allow SVG support? Michael Sander, Prime Minister of Optima, 04:23, 12 December 2010 (EST)
Yes, indeed there is. I'll install it as soon as possible. --User:Demontux - Egtavian President and Evil Oppressive Webmaster of Doom 11:28, 13 December 2010 (EST)
Speaking of images: what are MicroWiki's rules for using copyrighted images? Überstadt 19:09, 15 December 2010 (EST)
You don't.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  21:26, 5 January 2011 (GMT)

MicroWiki Forum

Ok what do people want on this new forum, obviliously a general micronationalism board, and a unrelated one maybe, what about an administration based one, or ones for discussing microcommons and the other sub-sites. --Sam 19:14, 18 December 2010 (EST)

We are getting a forum? --Kozuc, friendly Patroller and CopyEditor 20:11, 18 December 2010 (EST)
It's a proposition. I support this but we must work out the following:
1. Who will be admins/mods of the forum?
2. What forum software?
3. What rules will it follow?
Personally, I think that whoever is an admin on the wiki should be an admin on the forum (I don't really want to though personally :P). I think either phpbb or MyBB (preferably the latter) would be the best forum software, and I'm not sure about forum rules. Contributions please. § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 00:36, 19 December 2010 (EST)
I'd be up for a MicroWiki Forum. It will be nice to be in contact with nations of which aren't in the OAM. It is difficult to have active relations with other nations that aren't in the OAM so I'd love to see this forum for the reason that it'd be useful in that sense. Fish's reccomendations for Admins and software are good and the forum rules should be similar (but not identical to) Resolution 28. I hope this gets up an running soon. Tom Turner 07:33, 19 December 2010 (EST)
I support all those ideas, and prefer phpBB.  ~⁠~⁠♥⁠~⁠~ Jeremy Oakes (words • deeds)  21:03, 19 December 2010 (EST)

Make forum.co.cc. Then install MyBB. Done. --Secundomia Official Flag.jpgParker I: The President of Secundomia 21:57, 19 December 2010 (EST)

I concur with Parker I and completely support this. Better flag ultamiya.png His Lordship, David Salapatalk 13:57, 21 December 2010 (GMT)
As my last act as admin for a while, I'll set this all up now. Give me a few hours. § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 02:44, 22 December 2010 (GMT)
http://www.microwiki.org.uk/forum. I installed a few useful mods too. § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 04:00, 22 December 2010 (GMT)
Is there any way to increase the character limit for signatures? 8 lines of small text should an acceptable signature size.  ~⁠~⁠♥⁠~⁠~ Jeremy Oakes (words • deeds)  06:37, 22 December 2010 (GMT)
Why did I get banned?? It says I was a suspected spambot?? I didn't make a single post, how was I a "spambot"?? - 9999999333
To who it may concern, you were banned temporarily because a) we haven't seen your username been used on that actual MicroWiki site, b) the username is highly irregular and is suspicious to the admins, c) no information was given on your profile page of any use to us. I did contact Demontux and Cajak over this and they agreed you get a 1 week ban just so we can check who you are. Don't take it as a hostile threat, but we're only working to keep our community safe. Alright? Thanks. --Puchowskijk, your friendly insignificant goon 10:54, 23 December 2010 (GMT)

A Universal Map?

A thought crossed my mind whilst browsing the site and I decided that as a community we should have a collaborative map made up of all of the active micronations.Something like this : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/BlankMap-World-162E-flat.svg because the gray scale would make editing easy. An I know that because of the "micro" aspect of our nations, making a map would be difficult, but if we used a series of more localized maps where a large amount of nations exist, then we could pull this off. Just wanted some thoughts from the community before I started anything though...so? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Czar Dylan (talkcontribs) 18:41, 19 December 2010 (EST)

A map already exists here: http://micronationalism.info/resources/map/. Feel free to try one of just our community though. Also, please sign your comments. § Fishy § Your friendly neighbourhood Admin (TalkContribs) 19:44, 19 December 2010 (EST)
Ugh, I don't like that map. It is out of date and clunky. --Secundomia Official Flag.jpgParker I: The President of Secundomia 19:52, 19 December 2010 (EST)
Parker has a point, that map is unbelievably out of date. But again, even the larger claims like ours would be difficult to point out on a world map. Regional map would be good. Tom Turner 10:35, 20 December 2010 (EST)
Funny you should say that. While away on holidays, I was thinking of making just such a map. However, more like this or that which would allow a clickable large world map, linking to separate regions of the world which would have more detail. Of course, that would probably take too long and would take a while to make it even half presentable so perhaps Google Maps is the way to go. =P  aldy@wiki:~$ _  02:51, 2 January 2011 (GMT)

MicroWiki in Different Languages

I propose that we make a MicroWiki in different languages, for example, fr.microwiki.org.uk, dt.microwiki.org.uk, etc.--Secundomia Official Flag.jpgParker I: The President of Secundomia 23:26, 22 December 2010 (GMT)

Who would translate it all? Überstadt 00:25, 23 December 2010 (GMT)
These already exist. Check out the bottom of the main page. Michael Sander, Prime Minister of Optima, 10:57, 25 December 2010 (GMT)
I messaged all the current wikis (besides Dutch, I can't figure out how to get an account), about the subdomain plan I have, and I offered them a possible subdomain, e.g. po.microwiki.org.uk, etc.--Secundomia Official Flag.jpgParker I: The President of Secundomia 16:28, 28 December 2010 (GMT)


I think that patrollers should be able to also be "Check Users" so they can help the community more by detecting sockpuppets and stuff but not being able to block them. This would also help the admins. --Kozuc, friendly Patroller and CopyEditor 05:05, 27 December 2010 (GMT)

I agree with this. Sockpuppets could be detected earlier and faster if we do this. Überstadt 00:32, 29 December 2010 (GMT)
Hell no. The Patroller user group is an open one and hence anyone can join merely by asking. Imagine if everyone were able to access people's IP addresses. If you think someone's suspicious, just tell an existing administrator, it's just as fast (patrollers can't ban people anyway).  aldy@wiki:~$ _  06:49, 2 January 2011 (GMT)
Indeed, those who have power WILL abuse it... Tfoeflag.pngB.C.E.R Neil, President of T.F.o.E, Copy Editor and Patroller.(Talk) 18:29, 13 January 2011 (GMT)


Is Philip Fish going to remain Admin? --Kozuc, friendly Patroller and CopyEditor 22:57, 12 January 2011 (GMT)

I don't see why not and he may be coming back later in the month.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  23:05, 12 January 2011 (GMT)

Micronations menu

Part three. It's four months on from when the current candidates were selected and I reckon it's time for an update. Why? Because one of them has been more or less disgraced and another isn't even a part of the MW community. Seems logical to me (perhaps not so much to you). In short, choose five six (currently) active micronations that you want to appear in the sidebar for whatever reason. Either that, or we make it so that the top five six in the OAM Influence Survey are chosen, getting rid of any more votes like this and allowing me to go on editing without disturbing your peace. Your choice, I'm not fussed. Feel free to nominate your own article if the former. You have until whenever I get impatient (mid-to-late next week) to vote and remember, the options are either the top five six in the OAM Influence Survey, updated by the admins every survey or your choice of five six nations. Get voting.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  06:17, 15 January 2011 (GMT)

Why do there need to be five? There are six on there now. A1 got the sixth place in the survey, and I think A1 belongs on it along with St. Charlie, Egtavia, Landashir, Rukora, and Yabloko.  ~⁠~⁠♥⁠~⁠~ Jeremy Oakes (words • deeds)  07:24, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
My vote currently goes to A1, Yabloko, St. Charlie, Landashir, and Starland. ~Madam Victoria Bristow, your friendly and helpful MicroWiki Patroller 07:27, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
My vote goes to: Egtavia, St. Charlie, Yabloko, Rukora, A1, USLSSR. Adam Millard, President of Westland 07:51, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
I think that Molossia could remain on it, as they may not be a part of the community but are still an extremely famous and influential micronation, nearly on par with Sealand - having said that Sealand is even more influential and it seems strange to me to have a general list of micronations, no matter how small, that does not include Sealand. Not to sound big-headed, but I would like to have Austenasia stay on the list - we may have been voted down in the Influence Survey but if you think of all the micronations that have been directly affected by Austenasia (Wilcsland, Orly, Copan, Rushymia etc) and the effect the Austenasian Civil War had on the community in making us even more opposed to intermicronational war, Austenasia has been unintentionally very influential. Anyway, my vote goes to St. Charlie, Egtavia, Landashir, Yabloko, Austenasia, and Sealand. Austenasia 08:01, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
I'm in favour of removing it altogether, but, failing that, Yabloko, Landashir, A1, St. Charlie, and Starland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Msander (talkcontribs) 11:46, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
I think that we should have Saint Charlie, Yabloko, A1, Landashir, Starland and Bethania. ~Enriqe V. QeliFlag of Bethania.jpg 07:24, American East Coast Time, 15 January 2011
I'd say that the top 5 or 6 in the Influence Survey plus Molossia would be a good selection. Since Fish has left the community, top 5+ Molossia would work but I'd also be fine with top 6 + Molossia. That's what I have to say. Tom Turner 15:04, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
I say we remove it altogether or add the top 3 of MicroWiki nations plus three non-MicroWiki nations, possibly Sealand, Molossia and Hutt River, but any suggestions would be welcome. We shouldn't include marginal nations like Starland or Bethania. --QuentinWyvern 15:07, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
Same with Wyvern, and the 3 is: St.Charlie, Yabloko, and A1 --His Exellency, President Adriansyah Yassin Sulaeman OFR MOF Flag Of Lbp.gif 15:21, 15 January 2011 (GMT)

I vote Molossia, Sealand, Hutt River, Yabloko, St. Charlie, and A1. Sandbarsflag.png Bubba Clem Marra, President of the Sandbars 15:42, 15 January 2011 (GMT)

See Wyvern for my vote. --Secundomia Official Flag.jpgParkerI: ThePresident of Secundomia 16:46, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
If you're going to choose the "top 3 nations", then I urge you to take these from the influence survey. --Puchowskijk, your friendly insignificant goon 16:52, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
I suggest we go for the top six nations in the influence survey, either in order of influence or placement in the alphabet. If this is not wanted, then my vote goes to A1, St.Charlie, Yabloko, Landashir, Rukora and Egtavia. Daniel Anderson, Siroccan Premier. 18:45, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
I say Sealand, Molossia, Austenasia, Yabloko, A1, and St. Charlie. For seventh and eighth, Egtavia and possibly Secundomia. Better flag ultamiya.png His Lordship, David Salapatalk 18:52, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
I vote for St. Charlie, Austenasia, Landashir, Wyvern, A1 and Yabloko MidgetMaster 20:47, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
I go with what Mr Andderson said - it's probably the most sensible option :) --User:Demontux - Egtavian President and Evil Oppressive Webmaster of Doom 21:44, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
I vote for Aerican Empire, St. Charlie, Senya, Egtavia, Landashir, Yabloko, & Secundomia Senyaflag.png DES Senya. 21:46, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
Yay, seems mah 'personal appeal' is working quite well. =D Personally, I'm leaning towards the influence survey as it means we don't have to do a vote like this every three months and can instead just do it using the survey. And just as an update, the ones that are going through (at the moment) are St.Charlie (16), Yabloko (13), Landashir (12), A1 (10), Egtavia (9) and Molossia (6). I think. The numbers are probably wrong but I'm pretty sure that's the top six.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  21:49, 15 January 2011 (GMT)
The three active admins have all agreed on just basing it on the influence survey and the current results more or less reflect that with Molossia replacing Rukora (who have the seventh most votes). So, hopefully you won't complain too much. Thank you all for your time and I'm glad to see personal appeals work very well (they did for Wikipedia too).  aldy@wiki:~$ _  01:17, 16 January 2011 (GMT)

List of micronations

In my opinion the list of micronations is full of old outdated micronations that could be removed. I think that we could get rid of some old defunct inactive micronations. Some micronations on the list I do not even know about. --Kozuc, friendly Patroller and CopyEditor 05:06, 19 January 2011 (GMT)

As far as I know, the list is intended to include both active and inactive micronations.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  05:46, 19 January 2011 (GMT)
But is seams clutered and full of useless micronations some who never did anything --Kozuc, friendly Patroller and CopyEditor 15:17, 19 January 2011 (GMT)
Completely subjective, never going to work.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  22:17, 19 January 2011 (GMT)
Riley is correct; however there is no real way to solve it. And it's incomplete anyway, since a lot of people that found MicroWiki after the move edit MicroWikia instead of here.
That brings up a good point, anyway. I wonder if all of us can regularly update our MicroWikia articles to meet the ones we have here? Better flag ultamiya.png His Lordship, David Salapatalk 03:45, 20 January 2011 (GMT)

Vote on Fishy's Adminship

This is a vote on whether or not to revoke the adminship of User:Fishy. User:Fishy is not eligible to vote as it is a conflict of interest.

Please place your vote under the appropriate sub-heading and sign it.

Revoke adminship

Keep adminship


Overwhelmingly, Fish was kept on as an administrator only to retire in March.  aldy@wiki:~$ _  10:29, 6 March 2011 (GMT)