Talk:Principality of Phokland

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I've improved the article as best I can. I don't see any claims which immediately jump out at me as dubious, so I removed that template. I'd also warn the Prince not to swear on the wiki; next time may result in a temporary block. Anyway, I hope that's cleared this all up for now. Austenasia (talk) 10:44, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the assist. As for User:Tom Kap, the issue is said and done with. Further needless tampering of this user's page will not be tolerated; neither will adding templates here without consulting staff first. They were removed for a reason. If you really have something to say about it, report it directly to the admin team. Thank you. As for People's Republic of Phokland, thank you for understanding on this matter, and for your very civil approach to this situation despite the circumstances. I'll remove the "dubious" and "poor page" claims since the issue has been cleared out. If you need anything, please don't hesitate to reach us on the forums. --Zenrax (talk) 19:05, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Dear Zenrax , thank you, I will do my best not to curse as that is never called for. Thank you for all of your help.

thanks --People's Republic of Phokland (talk) 19:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

P.S. Do thank Austenasia for me, his help was much welcome.

The Great "Flame War" of 2018


Needs Improvement

This article is dubious and it is not true. Also copying my nations coat of arms isn't cool. You should improve your nation and page.

Tom Kap (talk) 23:56, 27 September 2018 (UTC)User:Tom Kap

Context Please (Response to Tom Kap)

Good sir, 1. I did not in any way copy your coat of arms, from what it seems, you and I just used the same program. I have never even heard of your country until now, 2. I would like to see what you believe on my page to be "dubious" and "not true" also what right have you to claim my nation is of fiction when we are not? While I respect your criticism, I do not see things your way and as such would like for your reasons behind creating such a scene on my page, thank you.

(Oh and P.S. In the future, when marking my article for "deletion", may you please leave examples of why you wish this to be done and not just vague complaints, much thanks oh and, you say that we are claiming to be recognized by the UN, WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT in fact we plainly state that: "No macronation recognizes Phokland's land claim". So I'm left to the conclusion that you misread my article).

Much Confusion --People's Republic of Phokland (talk) 00:39, 28 September 2018 (UTC) Also, here's the program I assume you used: Here

Yea your website says that don't lie!

User:Tom Kap

dearest User:Tom Kap I just had a chance to view the website (it is not of my department so I didn't red it) you are correct, we mis-spoke and I can see how confusion could have happened, what we were meaning by this was tat most (meaning all but usa) did not recognise us however, the USA has given us some minor de facto recognission I will edit the website so there is no confusion going forward, however (while I again respect your rights in critquing us, you calling us fictional, is not only wrong, but very iratating. Now I believe we can settle this going forward like grown adults and have a calm discussion here on the talk page instead of marking pages with untrue informatstion. Now I have only two qestions, 1. hpw did you find us (I' currious and kinda wana know) and 2. why didn't you just email our government and share your grievences with us there? anyway hope to here from ya soon. P.S. sorry for massive amount of spelling and grammer errors, but I'm tired AF right now and I got work in the morning. Cheers --People's Republic of Phokland (talk) 04:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

You don't have any scale of de facto recognition from the United States. Bob Christ (talk) 08:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Lets just say I heard about all the drama you and Lanzantonia were causing about your not very good pages.

User:Tom Kap

Dear User:Tom Kap, as for the "drama" Lanzantonia is causing, I know about it and if you read Lanzantonia's article, you will see that I recognize that his articles are (for lack of a better word) shit. I have nohing to do with those articles and with the exception of the aforementioned website, we pride ourselves on maintaining a certain quality for our pages. As for any "drama" I must ask, what have we done? I know Lanzantnia has been acting in an embarresing way but what have we done to cause drama (other than politely inquire with you as to the tags placed on our page)?

Sincerely --People's Republic of Phokland (talk) 14:53, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Your articles and nation have been heard to give eye sores and headaches no offence. You need improvemnt so this template stays on end of story. Thank you. Also you have zero recognition from the USA so don't make that up. If the police searched your house they wouldn't care about Phokland customs. Had to break the truth for you.

User:Tom Kap

User:Tom Kap I'm at my wits wnd with you, 1. We DO infact have some recognission from ARIZONA a state withen the us informaly (informaly as in obviusly they would storm it if police raid the place) next off, also as for "breaking the truth to you" what the absolute GOLLY GOSH do you mean? thirdly, who? who says my articales are known for being bad and how so? I get lanzantonia sucks at articles, but those are their pages. We have nothing to do with lanzantonia's acr=tions and have done nothing on the microwiki to cause "drama" or make bad pages, we get lanzantonia sucks, I don't see you getting on their asses. But I guess guilt by association works in the micronationalism community. Now if you really want to drag this thing on, so be it. But I do have just one question for you, why are you so hellbent on ur nation why not lanzantonia? (I'm sorry for getting so upset but I kinda have the right to riff a bit given the circumstances). Thanks --People's Republic of Phokland (talk) 19:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Side note

Also on a completly unrelated side note, what drama have we been causing about our page? (us in perticular not lanzantonia) I have never even had any convorsations about my page with anyone before you. Now again, I know lanzantonia's been getting out of hand and I wana know, what EXACTLY have they been doing? quite honestly I don't keep close tabs on them (maybe I should be given the circumstances)? Thanks in advance --People's Republic of Phokland (talk) 19:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Your page is an eye sore and your nation is very unproffesional. Get over it and work harder. Also I highly doubt that Arizona even knows that you exist.

User:Tom Kap

User:Tom Kap How are we an eyesore and unprofessional, yes we are and we pride ourselves on it, next if you say I should "get over it why don't you just follow your own advice? GET OVER YOURSELF. If you want my page better, fine what do you reccomend I do to improve it? also back on the eyesore, find one other user who thinks our article is bad. Here's an idea, why don't you get over your own ego and find a third party, perhaps a neutral arbatrater (a mod perhaps)?

GOLLY GOSH formalities: --People's Republic of Phokland (talk) 20:18, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

(p.s. in regards to Arizona, let's just move on from that, (see bottom of talk page).

Even the admins think this is an eyesore. It's so bad dude. Now stop living in your fantasy and understand that this needs great improvement! I've also reported you to austenasia for your conduct and foul language. User:Tom Kap

Dearest User:Tom Kap

Okay so I've calmed down, now please tell me what admins think that it is bad and what do you think I need to do to fix it?

Still really confused as to what the GOLLY GOSH is so wrong with this page, --People's Republic of Phokland (talk) 20:27, 28 September 2018 (UTC) also why did you mark the factual accurecy we DELETED THAT ENTIRE PART now I gtg when I get on please just tell me respectfully or better yet just privatly message me or email me or something like that (I dont really care).

Lots I'm afraid. Ask more people for help and break ties with Lanzantonia if you want to redeem your reputation. Note: Austenasia may ban you for cursing as I've reported you. Leave the templates as Zenrax said to stay on. Way more of your article is poor and dubious I'm afraid.

User:Tom Kap oksy you could have been that nice at the begining, i apologize for cursing, lanzantonis is dead in my eyes (for this and many other reasons) if you have any legit critques, please let me know otherwise, good day. --People's Republic of Phokland (talk) 20:35, 28 September 2018 (UTC) If an admin or Mod like zenrax wants the templates on they stay on!

User:Tom Kap

An Important Note to Add

Alright, so I removed the "marked for deletion" templates from the article because those are usually reserved for articles whose sole purpose is trolling others, or else those users who wish for their information on the wiki be completely deleted for personal reasons. As far as I can tell this falls under neither.

I left the "dubious" claim on there because of the "de facto recognition" claim found here. Note that recognition from the US towards any sovereign state has never been de facto, only de jure (with the exception of Taiwan and Palestine). This means of course that it almost always takes a Presidential proclamation and/or a treaty approved by the US Senate to take effect for such recognition to work. Alternatively, support for entrance into the UN by the US Ambassador to that body might also reflect on the country's interests. Please reconsider phrasing. I have faith you'll edit that part on your own, so beyond this I'll not touch your article and manhandle it. If you have other concerns about anything being discussed on your page, the rest of the admin team can also be contacted over the forums as well.

Thank you in advance for your understanding.

--Zenrax (talk) 01:03, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Dear Zenrax, thank you for this feedback and after re-reading this page, I can see how we mis-wrote that section, I will rephrase it as soon as I can, much thanks --People's Republic of Phokland (talk) 14:14, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey Zenrax, would it be possible to get rid of the fatual dispute banner, I got rid of the whole recognition thing and anything else that you deem "dubious" I will look at. As for the poor quality, I don't see my page as an "eyesore" as one individual put it, and I would like to know what makes it so bad that it deserves all of this attention (also why is it recieveing it now and not a while ago when I put it up first? If it has to do with Lanzantonia, I would like for you and EVERYONE to know that not only are we cutting all interactions with that user, but we have nothing to do with any pages against him and he is the primary reason that our reputation has dropped to such low levels, [That and other things as well obviously]) anyway, thanks.

Forever eager and slightly confused, --People's Republic of Phokland (talk) 07:33, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Deleted Recognition You know what, I'm just going to flat out delete that section off my page, your BS claims against me have been proven wrong so you've latched yourself onto that one thing and rode it to kingdom come. As such I'm deleting that section. If you see that as a victory for yourself, then fine, good for you. thanks --People's Republic of Phokland (talk) 19:59, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

P.S. if you noticed all the grammer and spelling errors, it's because I'm doing this all very fast, thanks for understanding.