Talk:Lord Charles Clarke, Duke of Grantabridge

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‘Theledir thus discovered that the original Christians (and the Jews) did not believe in an afterlife much, and that the modern Christian idea of Heaven and Hell comes from Germanic paganism’

Sorry if you feel like I’m forcing you into a corner with this topic, but you stated the above as if it were fact. I felt it my duty to correct you. The vast majority of early Christians had belief in the afterlife as one of their tenets long before Christianity even reached Europe. Most Jews in history have also believed in the afterlife with the exception of the Sadducees. The Bible accounts for this:

‘The same day Sadducees came to him, who say that there is no resurrection, and they asked him a question, 24 saying, “Teacher, Moses said, ‘If a man dies having no children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up children for his brother.’ 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first married and died, and having no children left his wife to his brother. 26 So too the second and third, down to the seventh. 27 After them all, the woman died. 28 In the resurrection, therefore, of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all had her.” 29 But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 31 And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God: 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living.” 33 And when the crowd heard it, they were astonished at his teaching.’ (Matthew 23-33)

The apostle Paul, who wrote some of the earliest New Testament scriptures, had the following to say (cautioning the minority of Christians who rejected the afterlife):

12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in Christ we have hope[b] in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.’ (1 Corinthians 15:12-18)

Furthermore, Heaven and Hell are both perfectly Judeo-Christian concepts:

‘And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”’ (Luke 23:43)

‘But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.’ (Revelation 21:8)

Yes, some of these concepts are found in Germanic paganism – this religion preserves some truths that have been passed down orally since the beginning of mankind. But if you think Christianity stole them from Germanic paganism later on, you are certainly mistaken. Don’t pay too much attention to Trace Fleeman!

Anyhow, I do hope all is well with you.--PendaIronhand (talk) 21:21, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

I admit, you're right. I think I over-exaggerated that particular sentence and you were right to correct it. It is true that Germanic paganism, and other forms of paganism throughout pre-Christian Europe, had an affect on Christian concepts, however. In fact, Christianity in its entirety is a unification of Western and Semitic beliefs. And don't worry, I don't listen to Trace Fleeman too often. We disagree on a large array of things, and he was only one factor in my de-Christianisation (which took a few years, by the way). I remember secretly thinking, back when I was a Christian, that you and your "Norse Christianity" were ever so slightly heretical. Look at us now, eh? Now who's the heretic! Theledir the Wight (talk) 22:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Your supremacist views

I would like to know why you believe Caucasoid people are more intelligent than Negroids? Afterall, all the modern humans today are derived from the Homo Sapiens which came from Africa and nearby areas thus leading them mainly having dark skin at the time. Though Caucasoids maintain DNA from Neanderthal, have you not noticed racial mixing has happened since variants of the human specie as a whole were on the earth? I would also like to point the fact Homo Sapiens were technically more intelligent than any other human specie. They knew how to adapt to climates quicker and solve problems quicker than Neanderthals, Homo Erectus, etc. Neanderthals however, were mainly built up in strength and weren't that smart. The Neanderthals didn't even last long either.

I also would like to know why you think Negroids and Mongoloids should be in fewer number? I just find that confusing due to the fact they are in such great number due to the areas they originated from and lived in which allowed their skin colour to maintain their current colour(due to being close towards the equator). It is just very confusing how you put things, may you explain them to me Lord Theledir the Wight?--AuxiliusvonImperium (talk) 19:50, 15 March 2014 (UTC)